Daneel Olivaw can manipulate billions from thousands of parsecs.Friday 16 April 1982 saw Battle Group Commander Admiral Sandy Woodward fly from his flagship, carrier HMS Hermes, to amphibious assault ship HMS Fearless for initial discussions with Commodore Amphibious Warfare Mike Clapp and the Commander of 3 Cdo Bde Brig Julian Thompson about what lay ahead.īy evening on 16 April the Carrier Battle Group had reached Ascension. Second Foundationers can alter the minds of thousands of people from parsecs away, and from a few hundred km, one of them claimed that if he forcefully tried to bypass the sketchy shield the Mayor had put up, he might accidentally kill the ten person crew. Mentalic shields are a technology answer to defending against mentalic intereference in a ship's crew. I don't know how 5th Empire hyper-missiles work, but the Foundation version launch from the ship, make the jump to hyperspace, and instantaneously come out of hyperspace at the target, where they detonate a high yield atomic warhead. Shortie: I don't know their maximum range, but IIRC, in Second Foundation, when the fleets of the Mule and Foundation clashed, the Foundation fleet won a major battle when a half-dozen of their ships dropped out of hyperspace 3-5 light minutes off the Mule's flank, and opened fire. No, the Mayor chased down Trevize was a single, much larger version of the Far Star II. Attacking wouldn't be an option for the 5th E, but they might be able to put up a good defence. One might be 20 or 200 years ahead of the other, but along the same tech paths. Crew reaction times aren't shabby(though not as fast as robots), and the ship AIs themselves are probably about the same as FF.Īctually they sound quite similar, but exactly which is more powerful is hard to say. They've got pretty nice acceleration, 0-.7c in about 11 seconds. Energy weapons in general seem to be more destructive than missiles, and they're nothing to mess with. Dahak couldn't take out the mutineer base on earth for fear of destroying all life on it. Planet smashing weaponry - not a problem. Are their hyper missiles the same as 5th E ones? Mentalic shields do what exactly? The AIs in the planetoids are pretty powerful, and Dahak is a mini-Mind, who managed an effector impression on the Achuultani. So I think it really depends of just what the 5th Imperium can do against mentalics.īut that's a serious FTL advantage, and multi-dimensional shieldss ahould be broadly similar to planetoid ones. Fully gravitic drives, metally-operated computers, and real-time galactic mapping data allow them stupendous manueverability.Ī single battlegroup would be outnumbered, in all likelihood (no idea on the numbers in that). They fight at ranges measured in light-minutes, using hyperspace missiles, atom blasts, EM lasers, and Q-beams. This means that they have ships with nanosecond reaction times, mentalic shields, multi-dimensional shields, planeta smashing weaponry, and FTL speeds in excess of 560 million c.

On a tactical level, assuming open war, the robots and Second Foundation would have no choice but to get involved. Their resources are vast, and they have easily millions of warships. Their capital at Terminus is located way the hell in the middle of nowhere on the edge of the galaxy.

The Foundation Federation (500 FE) is composed of 7 million worlds, across a goodly portion of the Milky Way. The 4th Imperium might be a match for the Foundation Federation, but the 5th Imperium, from what I understand, would not have the numbers.

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